Na haubi jedno, ispod haube drugo: 10 modela koji imaju tuđi motor

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Neki proizvođači automobila jednostvano nemaju resurse da razviju sopstveni motor, dok drugi žele da uštede pa pozajmljuju pogonsku jedinicu od partnerske auto-kompanije sa kojom sarađuju. U eri globalnog ukrupnjavanja automobilskih grupacija potpuno je uobičajeno da, na primer, Škoda Octavia RS i Seat Leon FR koriste motor koji im je donirao Volkswagen Golf GTI, ali u savremenoj auto-industriji ima i nekih interesantnijih kombinacija. Krenimo redom...

 

Mercedes A180d / Renault

Četvrta generacija Mercedesa A klase u osnovnim dizelskim varijantama koristi 1.5 litarski dCi motor sa 115 KS i 260 Nm koji proizvodi Renault, a ugrađuje se i u brojne modele marki Nissan i Dacia.

 

Alfa Romeo Giulia QV / Ferrari

Italijanska sportska limuzina Alfa Romeo Giulija QV pod haubom krije 2.9 litarskog V6 turbo benzinca sa 510 KS koji je gotovo u potpunosti razvio Ferrari.

 

BMW 116i (F20) / PSA

Francuska PSA Grupa i BMW zajednički su razvili čitavu porodicu motora oznake EP. Radi se o benzincima 1.4 i 1.6 koji se ugrađuju u brojne modele marki MINI, BMW, Citroën i Peugeot.

 

Pagani Huayra / Mercedes-AMG

Italijanski ''hipersportista'' iz 2011. godine za pogon koristi V12 motor koji se proizvodi u Mercedes-AMG pogonu. Međutim, Pagani Huayra nije prvi primer takve saradnje, jer je AMG-ov motor koristio i njegov prethodnik - Zonda. U top modelu Pagani Huayra BC V12 agregat isporučuje čak 780 KS.

 

Smart ForTwo / Renault

Mada je Smart ForTwo model koji originalno potiče iz Daimler grupe, razvijen je u saradnji Mercedesa i Renaulta pa deli brojne komponente sa Renault Twingom, a pod haubom se nalaze isti benzinci koji se ugrađuju u pojedine modele brendova Renault i Dacia.

 

Aston Martin Vantage / Mecedes-AMG

Najnovija generacija Aston Martina Vantage, po uzoru na većeg brata model DB11, za pogon koristi 4.0 litarski biturbo V8 motor, koji proizvodi Mercedes-AMG.

 

Lamborghini Huracan Performante / Audi

Jedan od najsposobnijih ''supersportista'', koji se dokazao rušenjem rekorda na Nirburgringu, pod haubom donosi 5.2 V10 koji proizvodi Audi, a inače se ugrađuje i u supersportski Audi R8.

 

Donkervoort D8 GTO-RS / Audi

Kao i ekstremni modeli Lotusa i Donkervoort D8 GTO-RS je automobil koji je osmišljen tako da ima što manju masu, pa teži ispod 700 kilograma. No, bez obzira na to ne odriče se snažnog motora - pod haubom je petocilindarski 2.5 litarski turbo benzinac. Isti motor se ugrađuje i u Audi RS3 i TT RS.

 

Lotus Evora GT430 / Toyota

Iako je Lotus Evora u prodaji još od 2009. godine, još uvek nije stigao naslednik. Osim izuzetnih voznih karakteristika kupce mami snažnim motorom koji isporučuje Toyota. Specijalno izdanje ovog modela - Lotus Evora GT430, za pogon koristi japanski V6 sa 430 KS.

 

Toyota GT86 / Subaru

S obzirom da je Toyota GT86 tehnički blizanac modela Subaru BRZ nije čudno da dele isti motor. U ovom slučaju tvorac motora je Subaru, a radi se o dvolitarskom ''bokser'' benzincu sa 200 KS.

 

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[Milutinac 5906]

U tekstu koji sam juce poslepodne procitao na B92 je bila stavka i kako Opel koristi 1.7 Isuzu motore vec godinama pa vidim da su posle izbacili...WTF?!

 

Nisu naveli da su koristili i Mjet, Saab takodje, Suzuki takodje...

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Milutinac, to je sve u sklopu GM grupe,to im dođe njihovo...i jtd i mjet i isuzu.

Oni to rade i na domaćem tržištu, oduvek.

 

 

 

 

[Milutinac 5906]

Jtd i mjet u sklopu GM grupe??? Nisam te razumeo...

[neshtry 14788]

Evo da bolje razumeš....

Multijet is Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' term for its current common rail direct injectionturbodiesel engine range. Most of the Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia range as well as certain Chrysler, RAM Trucks, Jeep and Maserativehicles are equipped with Multijet engines. Ownership of some Fiat Multijet designs is shared with General Motors as part of a settlement of the failed merger between the two auto conglomerates. GM Powertrain Torino group in Turin, Italy manages their interest in these engines. Some PSA Peugeot Citroën diesel engines are also rebadged JTD units, and vice versa. Fiat's common rail diesel engine is also known as JTD, an initialism of Jetronic Turbo Diesel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD_engine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori

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Sporazum Fiata i GM-a je stupio na snagu 01.01.2001. godine.

Fiat je svoje JTD motore već razvio i ugrađivao godinama pre toga. Prvi auto na svetu sa modernim CR dizelašem je bila tada (1997. godine) tek izašla Alfa 156 sa 2.4 JTD, sledeća je bila tadašnja S klasa sa Mercedesovom verzijom CR dizelaša, pa kao treći na svetu Fiat Punto 1999. godine ali sa 1.9 JTD motorima. U okviru tog sporazuma Opel je dobio pravo da besplatno koristi JTD motore...ali se Fiat poslužio ''lukavstvom'', tj. kako da natera GM da mu ipak plati za korišćenje tih motora, itd., itd...ima detaljnije ovde:

https://www.fiat-lancia.org.rs/forum/index.php?/topic/76399-kakav-su-to-sporazum-imali-fiat-i-gm/

 

Generalno, GM nema nikakva prava na njih, niti je učestvovao u razvoju tih motora.

Ipak, Fiat kasnije prodaje tu tehnologiju nemcima, tj. ''Bosch GmbH'' dolazi u posed Fiatove tehnologije CR dizelaša. Može se naleteti po internetu da je u tom sporazumu Fiat tražio i dobio jednokratnu uplatu, plus deo novca od svake prodate dizne koju napravi Bosch po tehnologiji Fiata. Treba ovo poslednje (za procenat od svake dizne koju Bosch pravi i dan danas) guglati još, videti ima li nešto zvaničnije o tome.  

 

[neshtry 14788]

Nija FIAT nego VM motori i to za IVECO,koji ih je naručio....
GM se prišljamčio i koristio ih sa svim pravima kao svoj motor,jer je bio deo te grupe....
JTD nije Fiatov motor,nego ih je najviše ugrađenih u Fiat
Motor je napravljen i razvijen u VM MOTORI
 

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Imamo temu na Forumu i za njih:

https://www.fiat-lancia.org.rs/forum/index.php?/topic/61228-fiat-planira-da-u-potpunosti-otkupi-kompaniju-vm-motori/

GM je svojih 50% vlasništva u VM kupio tek 2007. godine, a prodao Fiatu u drugoj polovini 2013. godine. VM sigurno nisu razvijali 1.3, 1.6, 1.9, 2.4 JTD/MJet/JTDm motore jer su se uvek bavili većim kubikažama kada su dizeli u pitanju.

 

Ne znam za ovo oko Iveca...sam Fiat kaže drugačije, tekst od pre 15 godina:

 

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The new Multijet system has allowed the Fiat Group to achieve an important new record in the diesel engine field. All this was possible because we have been building up know-how in this field since 1988, the date that marked the arrival of the Croma TDI, the first direct injection diesel vehicle in the world. The Croma engine was an outstanding result for the time and the first major step toward automotive diesel engines with more efficient combustion. The engineering, subsequently copied by other manufacturers, meant that diesel cars were able to ensure better performance coupled with lower fuel consumption.

 

One problem remained: excessive engine noise at low rpms and during speed transitions. This was the cue for the start of the Unijet story, i.e. the quest for a more advanced direct injection system that could drastically reduce the problem of excessive combustion noise. Some years later, this research effort brought us the Unijet itself and significant benefits in terms of efficiency and fuel consumption. 

We reasoned that the problem could be solved in one of two ways:

- we could be content with a passive system and simply insulate the engine to prevent sound waves from reaching the passenger compartment, or

- we could work actively to eliminate the problem at its source by developing an injection system that actually reduced combustion noise. 

Fiat Group engineers chose the second option and immediately went for the Common Rail principle after considering and then rejecting other high-pressure injection systems. The other systems do not allow pressure to be managed independently of rpm and engine load and neither do they include a pre-injection, which are essential attributes of the Unijet system. The theory that lay behind our research was originally developed by researchers at Zurich University but had never previously been applied to a vehicle. This simple yet elegant theory is based on the assumption that if you continue to push diesel into a tank, the pressure inside will rise and the tank itself will become a hydraulic accumulator (or rail), i.e. a reserve of pressurised fuel ready for use. 

Three years later, in 1990, the Unijet system developed by Magneti Marelli, Fiat Research Centre and Elasis on the Common Rail principle entered the pre-production stage. This stage was completed in 1994, when Fiat Auto started to look for a partner with leading-edge knowledge of diesel engine injection systems. The final stage of the project, i.e. completion of development and industrial production, was eventually entrusted to Robert Bosch. 

 

In October 1997, eleven years after the Croma TDI, the market welcomed another record-breaking car: the Alfa 156 JTD. The new model was equipped with a revolutionary turbodiesel engine that was to deliver previously unimaginable results. Vehicles equipped with this engine are incredibly noiseless and have all the alacrity of a petrol power unit. They improve on the performance of a similar prechamber engine by an average of 12 percent and reduce fuel consumption by 15 percent. The Alfa 156 equipped with a JTD engine won immediate success and similar power units soon appeared on other Fiat Auto models and were adopted by many other motor manufacturers. Now the turn has come for a second generation of JTD engines, in other words the multiple injection, 16 valve engines that made their debut last autumn in Paris in the shape of the 1.9 JTD engine fitted to the Alfa 156 and Alfa 147. And that family has now been extended by the pocket-sized 1.3 Multijet 16v.

http://www.fiatpress.com/press/detail/6518

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Suzuki I dan, danas koristi 1.6 mjet

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines
 

[@bane@ 102]

Ja sam bio ubeđen da je common reil razvio Magneti Mareli sa Fiat-om, ali zbog nedostatka novca prepustio sve Bosch-u. Sad da gi ga ebem