Fiat Seicento - ugradnja pokazivača temperature rashladne tečnosti

[dara_sei 0]

Mislim da bi bilo vise nego korisno ugraditi pokazivac temperature, velika mana kod Sei-a sto fabricki ne postoji.
Da li je neko vec imao iskustava sa ovom skalamerijom u nekom od servisa ili domacoj radinosti?!

[bokija 83]

Nije nikakav problem.Univerzalnih davaca ima kolko oces.Mesta imas kolko ti treba.Sve ostalo se svodi na pare i zelje.Ako se covek vec bakce sa tim,greota je da se ogranici samo na temperaturu vode.Odradis odmah i napajanje akumulatora i pritisak ulja.A ako si vredan,zabodes i jedan mali obrtomer.

[Goran Zemun 441]

Postoje mali digitalni uredjaji koji u sebi imaju, merac temp.....napona..obrtomer...spoljna temp...Mislim da kosta oko 30-40e

[bokija 83]

To je lepo kad neko voli fercerajke.Ali analogni pokazivaci su bili i ostali No1.One sarene ledice i brojevi vise lice na neki blesomer nego na nesto korisno.

[Goran Zemun 441]

Slazem se...i ja vise volim kazaljkice...ali je seicento unatra sav okrugao pa nema puno mesta za neke satice a da ne izgleda ruzno.

[bokija 83]

Dok sam vozio Zastave 101,jedino sto sam skidao pri prodaji su bili Veglia satovi iz 128 familiare i racve sa motora.Slazem se da je najskupli deo u vezi Siecenta odradjivanje plastike i uklapanje satica,al ko voli i ima nacina da se bavi plastikom... Meni je bas zao sto mi se nije pruzila prilika da se bolje upoznam sa postupcima obrade i nadogradnje plastike.

[dara_sei 0]

Nije nikakav problem.Univerzalnih davaca ima kolko oces.Mesta imas kolko ti treba.Sve ostalo se svodi na pare i zelje.Ako se covek vec bakce sa tim,greota je da se ogranici samo na temperaturu vode.Odradis odmah i napajanje akumulatora i pritisak ulja.A ako si vredan,zabodes i jedan mali obrtomer.

ma kad u startu nemas pokazivac temperature, za pocetak je vise nego dovoljno opraviti jedan...samo jos da nadjem ko ce biti vredan

[fedja.culum 0]

http://www.crofiat.com/showthread.php?t=12264 evo resenja za seicento za pokazivac temperature,a moze se napraviti vrlo lako.

[neshaoct 9591]

...evo c/p jer se bez registracije ne može videti tema :

As many people will be aware certain model Seicento's and possibly some Cinquecento's do not come with a temperature gauge of any description. Instead they are fitted with a temperature warning light, or as I like to call it, "Oh Crap" Light.

The temperature warning light will only come on at extreme temperatures, as I know from experience. At this time the coolant will be boiling and will start to blow steam out of the pressurised cap, not really ideal, as by this point you risk serious engine damage.

To remedy this situation I set about fitting a temperature gauge to my car, which has been running for over a month as I write this article and has been working fine and providing a talking piece and most importantly, an accurate temperature read out.

Tools and Consumables

A quick summary of the things you will need to do the job are detailed below.

* Screwdrivers / Spanners

* Utility Knife / Hacksaw

* Pliers

* Jubilee Clips (~30mm Diameter)

* PTFE/Teflon Tape

* Distilled Water (2 Litres)

* Engine Coolant (2 Litres)

* Temperature Gauge (and sender if not included)

* Cable

* Coolant Hose Adapter (30mm OD)

* Jack / Axel Stands

* Multimeter

The above list is pretty self explanatory, the only thing you may not know is the Coolant Hose Adapter. These can be picked up off eBay (Raid HP do a range) or from other online stores such as Demon Tweaks.

They look like:

If you would like to completely flush the cooling system while you are at it, seeing as you will be doing half anyway, them you will also need:

* Paper Gasket (or specific thermostat gasket)

* Gasket Sealant

How To?

There are variations on how the cooling and monitoring is performed and also what sensors and potential sensor locations there are in the Cento range. By following this guide, the installation does not interfere with any other system, and is therefore generic across the model range.

To start you need you car quite level and be able to get under the front of the car. Jack it up on a slight slope to achieve this, make sure the car is secure and safe, as you will be working under it.

Once its jacked up, locate the lower radiator hose clamp, grab the hose clamp tightly, and give it a good twist and wiggle to break it, you will replace it with a jubilee clip once done.

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Now flush a hosepipe through the header tank till water runs clear through the radiator, back flush it through the header tank, this gets all the gunk and dirt out.

At this point you may want to do a full flush, if so remove the coil packs, thermostat (where the large pipe connects to the side of the engine) and then flush through the engine as well. This is particularly important if changing colour or coolant type. Refit a new gasket, and seal with gasket seal.

The hose adapter is fitted in line with the main engine coolant outlet, remove the hose and cut a section out to accommodate the adapter.

Fit the adapter between both hose sections, secure with clamps and screw in the sender wrapped in PTFE tape. Refit the adapted section back to the thermostat and radiator inlet, secured with new jubilee clips!

Now make sure all your pipes are secure and bleed screws are open. Fill the coolant header tank with mixed coolant until it runs from the bleed screws and then refit them and the header cap.

NB. After a run and cool down you may need to bleed air from the bleed screws and refill with a bit more coolant.

The Electronics

Thats the more hands on part done, now all is needed is to wire it up and this is where all kits/dials and senders differ.

For my kit, i had a two wire sender, a gauge with 2x+Ve, 2x-Ve/GND, 1xGuage. The instructions were graphical only, and even with an electronics degree, made little/no sense!

I joined the two black wires, joined the two red wires, which left the follwing cables from the gauge, 1x+Ve, 1x-Ve and one temperature input. One of the senders wire goes to -Ve as well, the other goes to the sender input.

Hope you understand what I am explaining

Therefore I needed to find a +12V, and -Ve/GND where the gauge was to be fitted, on the dash for my application. One sender output was connected at the same point as the -Ve/GND and the other sender output went straight into the guage.

On the MPI Sei, the perfect place for this wiring to connect, is in the rev counter wiring, which is already fused by Fiat

If you observe following pictures, you can see the sender cables, and the Rev counter connector.

The Black Wire is -Ve, connect the gauge and one sender wire to this. The positive gauge wire needs to be connected to another wire!? Which one??!! I can't remember lol, but I don't think it was the red one. A quick check for a +12V with a multimeter will find it for you though! Check its +12v with the engine running, and that its constant 12V regardless of revs.

This ambiguity will actually make the guide more applicable to Cento wiring as well.

Now just mount the gauge and there you go.

The Finished Product and Afterthoughts

Thats the finished product, hope yours goes as well as mine did

It all works great, and provides a reliable reading.

If I was to do it again, I would not get a smoked display as aren't easy to read in direct sunlight, but other than that I'd make no changes.

The sensor will only start to read once to thermostat starts to open, after a min or two of driving, but once it start to open it will give a constant temperature readout, which, on my car can range from ~75-90 degrees Celsius, depending on the situation.

[dara_sei 0]

hvala momci, sila ste!

[marcony 0]

Da li postoji neka druga varijanta ugradnje termodavaca ili samo ova na crevu za vodu. Video sam neke pokazivace Pilot koji dolaze sa termodavacem ali nisam siguran da li on moze da se usrafi u blok?

[Veki 8]

ja sam kod burazera na seicentu sa elektricarom za 10 minuta ugradio digitalni pod saf i to je to pravi ga neki nas covek i ekstra stvar je sto ima alarm potrebno je da izmeris najvecu vrednost dodas 5 stepeni i kad predje on pocne da pisti i tako te upozorava da se masina pocinje pregrevati on mi je to i narucio cena oko 20 evra inace ima guma odma pored usisa za vazduh on je buzno safcigerom i kablove od sonde uvuko u unutra i samo pored osiguraca uzo stuju i to je to...

kad budem stigo izbacicu ti napred gde je zasafio sondu...

[marcony 0]

Aj kad budes mogao uslikaj to pod haubom, to mi je najbitnije da vidim kako je izvedeno!

[Veki 8]

evo slike znaci sonda je postavljena uz glavu motora da je dodiruje pod ova saf

[sinisa7 0]

majstore, majstore

e a ako zalepis izolirkom na crevo za vodu dodas 10 stepeni i ti je to, reko mi majstor

[Veki 8]

Ovde je dobro sto ima alarm ja sam burazeru kad je najvruce letos pokazivac je pokazivao 105 na to sam dodao 10 stepeni i aktiviro alarma tako da sad kad bi se temp popela preko toga ili leti odma bi pistalo i znao bi da nesto nije uredu...

[neshaoct 9591]

Jedan broj odgovora je sada ovde:

http://www.fiat-lancia.org.rs/forum/index.php?showtopic=41777&view=findpost&p=736563